David Gray-Hammond conducted this interview with me about my book Neuroqueer Heresies in January 2022. It was originally published on the NeuroClastic website; you can find the NeuroClastic version here. I highly recommend the excellent NeuroClastic site, and I highly recommend the excellent David Gray-Hammond.

You talk of the embodied mind or “bodymind” frequently in your book, rather than “mind” or “neurology.” Where does your understanding of the bodymind fit into Neuroqueer Theory?

The conceptualization of neurodiversity as diversity among bodyminds has been central to Neuroqueer Theory from the start.

The term bodymind points toward an understanding that mind is an embodied phenomenon, and that mind and embodiment are inseparably entwined. The embodied nature of the mind is a fundamental premise of somatic psychology, a field in which I’ve long been involved as a student, practitioner, and educator.

I mention in the book that I originally came up with the term neuroqueer in early 2008, in a paper I wrote for Dr. Ian J. Grand’s Psychodynamics class in the Somatic Psychology graduate program at California Institute of Integral Studies.

On the first day of that class, Dr. Grand summed up the underlying premise of somatic psychology like so: The psyche is somatically formed and organized. Meaning, in other words, that one’s psyche and selfhood are developed through processes of bodily experience and action, with the implied corollary that new bodily experience and new habits of bodily action have the power to effect significant mental transformations.

This premise remains integral to my conceptions of neuroqueer theory and the practice of neuroqueering.

My orientation as a scholar is transdisciplinary, and part of what attracts me to transdisciplinarity is how generative it can be to look at a given concept or phenomenon through a variety of different disciplinary lenses.

A lot of work on neurodiversity has been strongly informed by the lens of disability studies. This work is necessary and important, but I think some people fall into the trap of thinking that the disability studies lens is the only useful way to think about neurodiversity.

And then you look at M. Remi Yergeau’s work, and it’s full of all these fresh mind-bending insights, because Yergeau’s approach to the topic of neurodiversity is based in the field of rhetoric––and that’s a whole other lens that reveals entirely new potentials of the topic.

To come the the point, then: Neuroqueer Theory is what emerges when one takes an approach to the topic of neurodiversity that’s based largely in the fields of queer theory and somatic psychology.

It’s worth noting, by the way, that in recent years the term bodymind has been showing up with increasing frequency in the field of disability studies. As you can probably guess, I see this as an excellent development. But a lot of people who’ve been using and/or appreciating the term in disability studies are unaware that it originates in the field of somatic psychology.

Almost every time I see the term bodymind used in a piece of writing in disability studies or some related field these days, Margaret Price’s excellent 2015 article, “The Bodymind Problem and the Possibilities of Pain,” is cited as the source of the word.

I love Price’s work and the way she’s integrated the concept of bodymind into disability scholarship, but she sure as heck didn’t coin the term! The actual first published use of the word bodymind was a somatic psychology text entitled Bodymind, written by Ken Dychtwald way back in 1977.


Another term you use a lot is “neurocosmopolitan” or “neurocosmopolitanism.” Where does Neuroqueer Theory fit into a neurocosmopolitan world?

Just as a cosmopolitan perspective recognizes that there’s no “normal,” “superior,” or “default” culture or ethnicity, a neurocosmopolitan perspective––or a neurocosmopolitan society––is one in which no sort of mind is privileged as “normal,” or as superior to others, or as the natural default way for a mind to be.

The path toward a neurocosmopolitan perspective––on either an individual or collective scale––necessarily involves learning to recognize our internalized standards of neuronormativity as culturally constructed and culturally instilled, and then freeing our minds from the limits of those standards.

Neuroqueering is the act or process of challenging, subverting, defying, and/or creatively fucking with neuronormativity. As such, I consider neuroqueering an essential part of our individual and collective paths toward more neurocosmopolitan perspectives and more neurocosmopolitan futures.


Besides neuroqueering, what are the first steps towards a neurocosmopolitan world?

In order to build any kind of better future, it’s essential to have some sort of positive vision to work toward. In order to create something positive and good, one must first be able to imagine it.

So one crucial first step is for all of us to engage our creativity and awaken our sense of the possible, and start generating individual and collective visions of neurocosmopolitan futures that inspire us.

Another crucial step is to produce more and more literature, art, educational material, and entertainment that decenters the neurotypical perspective and the neurotypical gaze––in other words, work which not only is grounded in non-neuronormative perspectives, but also refuses to assume that the default reader or viewer is neurotypical.


Speaking of creativity, you talk of neuroqueer speculative fiction in the book. What are some of the best examples of well done literature in this genre that you would recommend?

Two authors who stand out for me as being on the leading edge of the emerging field of neuroqueer speculative fiction are Dora M. Raymaker and Ada Hoffmann.

Dora M. Raymaker’s published fiction so far includes the brilliant sci-fi detective novel Hoshi and the Red City Circuit, the short story “Heat Producing Entities” (which appears in Volume 3 of the annual Spoon Knife neuroqueer lit anthology), and the epic novel Resonance, which will be published sometime in 2022 (I’ve already read Resonance because I had the honor of being Raymaker’s editor on it, and I’m eager for everyone else to read it).

Ada Hoffmann is best known so far for the Outside series, which so far includes her first novel The Outside and its sequel The Fallen. It’s going to be at least a trilogy; there’s a third book in the works already.

In addition to being thoroughly neuroqueer, these fabulous books are also gripping space opera tales grounded in the best classic sci-fi traditions. Hoffmann has also produced a lot of extraordinarily good and thoroughly neuroqueer short stories and poetry, much of which can be found in the collection Monsters in My Mind.

Like Raymaker, Hoffmann’s also got a delightful story in Spoon Knife 3, “The Scrape of Tooth on Bone,” which genre-wise might be best described as “neuroqueer steampunk.”

Spoon Knife is the first anthology series that’s specifically devoted to neuroqueer literature. It’s multi-genre (or genre-queering), so it includes neuroqueer speculative fiction but also other neuroqueer fiction in other genres like magical realism (for instance, the story “Only Strawberries Don’t Have Fathers,” contributed to Spoon Knife 3 by legendary poet Judy Grahn, or Craig Laurance Gidney’s “Coalrose,” which appears in Spoon Knife 5).

Spoon Knife also accepts short memoir pieces and poetry, so each volume offers the reader quite the diversity of experiences. As far as neuroqueer speculative fiction goes, Alyssa Gonzalez and Verity Reynolds are two more authors whose contributions to multiple volumes of Spoon Knife are excellent examples of the genre.

And of course, I should mention my own work in neuroqueer speculative fiction, and the work of my longtime friend and collaborator Andrew M. Reichart. Andrew and I are co-creators of an ever-growing collection of interconnected stories which we call the Weird Luck Saga.

The Weird Luck Saga consists of all of my prose fiction, all of Andrew’s prose fiction, and the Weird Luck webcomic which the two of us co-write and which is drawn by the spectacularly talented Mike “Son of Witz” Bennewitz.

So far, Volumes 2, 3, and 5 of Spoon Knife each contain one Weird Luck story by Andrew and one by me. Andrew’s also written a trilogy of Weird Luck fantasy novels called City of the Watcher (currently out of print, but being re-released in a revised single-volume edition sometime in 2022 or 2023), and a psychedelic and wildly neuroqueer Weird Luck sci-fi novel called Wallflower Assassin (spoiler warning for fans of the Weird Luck webcomic: Wallflower Assassin is the one published piece of the Weird Luck Saga that takes place after the comic).


If people only took one message away from reading your book, what would you hope for it to be?

It depends very much on who the people are, and where they’re at in their own particular journeys when they encounter the book. My hope is that each reader will find some message that’s life-changing in a positive way, but that’s going to be a different message for some readers than for others, depending on who they are and the present conditions in their lives.

There are a lot of ideas packed between the covers of Neuroqueer Heresies, and one never knows which idea is going to be most transformative for a given individual.

Regardless of which specifics resonate with different readers, my hope is that in some way or another the book will awaken in each and every reader an expanded sense of the possible. My hope is that the book will inspire readers to explore of the infinite realms of creative potential that lie beyond the walls of normativity.